EP 174 · Game Publisher or Marketing Agency? Ben Kvalo, Midwest Games· 5H AGO
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Game Publisher or Marketing Agency? Ben Kvalo, Midwest Games

Everyone is calling themselves a publisher. Midwest Games founder Ben Kvalo explains what the word actually covers, why marketing is only part of it, and why nuance still beats the prompt.

Game Publisher or Marketing Agency? Ben Kvalo, Midwest Games
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Everyone is calling themselves a publisher. Midwest Games founder Ben Kvalo explains what the word actually covers, why marketing is only part of it, and why nuance still beats the prompt.

Ben also talks through two months on the road, why the US games industry needs more hubs, and how MDEV is being built to last.

Chapters below.

0:00 Welcome back, Ben Kvalo

0:33 Two months of travel and what Midwest Games is building

3:15 New York Games Week and what the New York ecosystem lacks

6:16 If games stay in four cities, the US falls behind

8:53 Lower cost is not lower quality

9:28 What is a publisher, really?

9:56 40 disciplines: publisher or marketing agency?

11:12 Full-service publisher vs fractional publishing

12:06 You no longer need a big-box publisher to get help

12:48 Can AI make you an expert? The fractional CMO trap

14:26 Why people overgeneralize how easy things are

15:46 Nuance beats the prompt: AI, engineers and vibe coding

17:01 Expertise, doing it recently and pulling all five levers

18:09 One-hit wonders and why IP takes decades

19:53 What Ben would do differently four years in

23:59 Earning your lessons the hard way

25:55 The week before the money runs out

26:57 Find the people who stick with you

30:58 Support systems and getting feedback early

33:11 Why MDEV feels like true community

36:35 Keeping a volunteer nonprofit sustainable

38:08 MDEV keynotes: Jesse Schell and a Friday kickoff

41:30 You do not have to live in Wisconsin to join

43:06 Where to find MDEV, Ben and the Games Alliance

44:30 Madison cheese curds and the Capitol Square

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MDEV: https://www.mdevconf.com

Wisconsin Games Alliance: https://wisconsingamesalliance.com

Ben Kvalo is the founder of Midwest Games, president of the Wisconsin Games Alliance and chair of MDEV, with earlier roles at 2K and Netflix.

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